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Poster: buscameby Date: Aug 7, 2010 1:20pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: as usual Jerry is left out

I don't recall any backlash from the latest snub of Jerry and his massive talent. I just heard a report on Gibson's top 50 GEETAR players of all time.

http://www.gibson.com/en-us/lifestyle/Features/Top-50-Guitarists-528/

There are many great players on the list but two of the top 11 really tweeked my melon! Let me say I like both musicians for their contributions and their "style" but to place them in these positions and to leave Jerry out completely is unfathomable. First is Keith Richards at number 3,the Stones would never had been the same without him but they would never have risen to the heights they did without the support of Brian and Ronnie being in tune and keepin' it clean.

The real surprise IMO is number 11 George Harrison, more than competent but a ALL TIME GREAT???? PLEASE Child Please( to quote Ocho Cinco -sorry I'm a Bengal's fan) do they think "while my guitar gently weeps" was actually played by him?

Well I just point it out on a day when stupidity seems to be the prevalent mode of my encounters today.

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Poster: Dudley Dead Date: Aug 7, 2010 4:09pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: as usual Jerry is left out

If this was a list of most technically proficient, etc. : maybe I could see Garcia left off the list . I have heard several very good guitarist, tell me he was "sloppy", "not a guitar players guitarist ", which I sort of understand . Hendrix, as far as the nuts and bolts of music is concerned , was limited . But of course , that is missing what was being SAID with his music , limits or not . I mean from a technical point of view someone like Joe Pass, could kick everyones ass .
Now I respect that sort of ability , but Jerry sounds like no other guitarist, totally unique, and instantly recognizable . And for those in tune with his art, and incredibly, fun, exciting, and deeply soulful player .
This list is more a popularity poll .

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Poster: Miss Divine Date: Aug 8, 2010 11:17pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: as usual Jerry is left out

Best of and Top 50 lists are usually stupid.

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Poster: Arbuthnot Date: Aug 7, 2010 1:52pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: as usual Jerry is left out

no list is going to please everyone equally or at all; as for Jerry being left off, well, i'm guessing he wouldn't care one way or the other

at least Jimi is at #1, as it should be always and forever; and Ron Asheton made the grade, which is also as it should be

the glaring omission is Tom Verlaine, but since that list is largely about the big sellers, big media, big bucks, not really a surprise, to me

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Poster: Purple Gel Date: Aug 7, 2010 6:05pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: as usual Jerry is left out

To say that Jerry is left out "as usual" is disingenuous. In most polls that I have read, he seems to, most often, be rated among the top 20 of all time.

I forget whose book this was from (Rifkin's?), but it was a family member. He said something to the effect that Jerry was a good guitar player who was adopted by a large group of dedicated fans.

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Poster: buscameby Date: Aug 7, 2010 6:54pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: as usual Jerry is left out

I'd like to read those ratings, I've never seen him higher than 48 and I agree with the earlier post about his uniqueness and style being so recognizable, to me for its beauty and ability to touch the inner cord that harmonizes life.

I don't have to see him high on these list but he should be acknowledged for his contributions to weave us around the strings of his guitar during those inspiring enthralling and sometimes haunting, impresario improvisations.

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Poster: mcgannahan Date: Aug 7, 2010 7:13pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: as usual Jerry is left out

zappa should be in the top ten, at least.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Aug 7, 2010 9:04pm
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Ha--I "googled" it, and there are a huge number of lists! Only scratched the surface...but, hey, here's the first one, and Jerry is 179 or some such (but it's all genres):

http://digitaldreamdoor.nutsie.com/pages/best_guitar-all.html


Ah ha! It's the Rolling Stone one that has him high, # 13:

http://www.theinsider.com/news/316579_Rolling_Stone_s_The_100_Greatest_Guitarists_of_All_Time_Do_you_agree


Uh oh, looks like he doesn't break top 50 here:

http://www.rateitall.com/t-1785-best-guitarist-of-all-time.aspx


Oh, and BTW, Jack Bruce does rate in the top ten (yes, they have lists exclusively for bass players! Hmmm, didn't see Phil, but go figure...).

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Poster: buscameby Date: Aug 7, 2010 9:52pm
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Ha thanks for the supporting docs!

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Poster: lobster12 Date: Aug 8, 2010 11:01am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: as usual Jerry is left out

I recently found out that Stevie ray Vaughan is not in the rock and roll hall of fame and has been eligible for many years. That's why I could care less about these things.

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Aug 7, 2010 2:07pm
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pete townsend "better" than Andre Segovia???

LMAO


this list is either a pretty good joke or just a "dartboard" list

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Poster: unclejohn52 Date: Aug 7, 2010 2:48pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: as usual Jerry is left out

These writers and clowns don't know shit about guitar. I fart in their general direction.

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Aug 7, 2010 3:03pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: as usual Jerry is left out

no kiddin' - was Grant Green or Kenny Burrell even on the list?? (i forget already)

at least half of the names placed in the top 50 are "good" by by no means "great"

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Poster: user unknown Date: Aug 7, 2010 4:00pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: as usual Jerry is left out

Segovia should be # F'n 1.
....or at least tied fr that spot with Jimi

Richard Thompson is #42. I don't think so!
And Ry Cooder is ONLY #32..WTF?
Glad to see Prince on the list(He is amazing), but #14 may be a bit high.

Overall, I think this list is a joke. If not the "panel" needs to remove their heads from their respective asses.

This post was modified by user unknown on 2010-08-07 23:00:52

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Aug 7, 2010 3:05pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: as usual Jerry is left out

i was lucky enough to see Segovia around 30 years ago at Boston Symphony Hall. He shuffled out on stage, bent with age, and then his fingers just started BLAZING across the fretboard. never seen anything like it since.

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Poster: Dudley Dead Date: Aug 7, 2010 4:23pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: as usual Jerry is left out

You were fortunate to see this great musician . He was the man who made the guitar a serious classical instrument . Truthfully , there have been, and are, guitars who are artistically, and technically his equal, or close to him ( say, Julian Bream ) but he paved the way , like Pablo Casals did for cello, for the guitar to be taken seriously . I guess his is the token classical guy on the list . The list is itself, silly .

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Aug 7, 2010 7:14pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: as usual Jerry is left out

always been a Julian Bream fan also (though have never seen him play live.) John Williams is another who comes to mind who followed in Segovia's footsteps quite nicely.

Also been listening to some of Armik's guitar work recently. Different vein than the aforementioned, but one hell of a great nuevo flamenco guitarist! never seen short, stubby fingers fly like that on the frets.

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Poster: user unknown Date: Aug 7, 2010 7:00pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: as usual Jerry is left out

"Truthfully , there have been, and are, guitars who are artistically, and technically his equal, or close to him but he paved the way."

The same can be said of Robert Johnson. He made the list for being the "originator" of a style. There are guitarists who play Johnson better than Johnson did. Scott Ainslie comes to mind.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Aug 7, 2010 2:23pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: as usual Jerry is left out

Well, well, well...look who crawled out from under a rock.

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Aug 7, 2010 3:01pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: as usual Jerry is left out

yeah - havent even been lurking at all - damn, i hate being busy

;)

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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Aug 7, 2010 3:05pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: as usual Jerry is left out

The wolf leaves his lair .
Damn , I'll take our weather lately , dire . It's like San Diego .

Lists are jokes . What's the best GSET , ever !? ( .... Well , Veneta is up there ..... )

I will join uj in farting in their general direction .

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Poster: unclejohn52 Date: Aug 7, 2010 4:46pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: as usual Jerry is left out

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FWBUl7oT9sA

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Poster: William Tell Date: Aug 7, 2010 4:17pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: as usual Jerry is left out

Check your email...

This post was modified by William Tell on 2010-08-07 23:17:53

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Aug 7, 2010 5:07pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: as usual Jerry is left out

GSET?
This one is fun
http://www.archive.org/details/gd74-06-22.sbd.obv.30972.flacf

Not so much this
http://www.break.com/index/greatest-story-ever-told.html

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Poster: RBNW....new and improved! Date: Aug 7, 2010 5:32pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: as usual Jerry is left out

actually....the rock just moved a bit!

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Poster: William Tell Date: Aug 7, 2010 8:51pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: as usual Jerry is left out

RE: the query about Jerry's "usual" spot, I agree, bus, that almost always he is low...ie, "high"...er, not ranked appropriately IMHO. I love to hate these listings, but NEVER miss one, and have seen at least a half dozen over the yrs....I think there was only one where Jerry was 20 +/- 3 or so...I can never recall the exact polls, and the #s, but he's rarely where I think he should be.

Now, this is one of the oddest though...I can never fathom GHarrison even being considered for one of these...seriously. Huge Beatles fan myself, and knew many guitar playing beatles fans that viewed him as well below "average". And Keith Richards is not that much better, and though I love him to DEATH, one of my all time favs, NYoung just don't rate...(sorry Dire!).

I just don't know how they were placing them; reputation, significance as part of a movement, etc., etc....? But straight up playing, those three have to be dropped from any top fifty, IMHO.

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Poster: groovernut Date: Aug 8, 2010 9:25am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: as usual Jerry is left out

Wait are you suggesting that Neil does not Shred? Because he does, during some of his live shows I was floored by just how heavy he can rock. Top 50 for sure.... guess it depends on how you rate, technical skills be dammed if the music does not touch you..

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Poster: William Tell Date: Aug 8, 2010 10:34am
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Yeah, I was going on early stuff alone, and haven't seen him live since early 70s...just didn't seem to be top fifty to me, though as you say, it defn "reaches me" like only a few...sorta how I accept that EClapton is top ten, but only in CREAM does he do anything for me, and it's not overwhelming...if that makes sense.

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Poster: groovernut Date: Aug 15, 2010 7:01pm
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Dude! I just saw Buddy Guy and he covered some CREAM... very freaking well too... go see him you will have hysterics.



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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Aug 7, 2010 1:42pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: as usual Jerry is left out

50% of this list didn't even play Gibson guitars. Not saying that had to be their criteria ut still ironic wouldn't you say?

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Poster: lobster12 Date: Aug 8, 2010 11:01am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: as usual Jerry is left out

I recently found out that Stevie ray Vaughan is not in the rock and roll hall of fame and has been eligible for many years. That's why I could care less about these things.